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10/13/2006 8:26 PM Daniel wrote:
Hello,

It has always been known that enrollment records and other tribal documents have burned in the past. But it is also common knowledge that after every tribal secretary leaves office, enrollment records have a way of disappearing.

I know for a fact, that in my enrollment record, there are no documents, I have checked since 1999 and they have not reappeared.

I have told the tribal council in the past several times, that the burden of safekeeping our records is on the tribe, not us the members. There has always been talk at least going back since 2000 of making the members resubmit missing enrollment documents or be subject to disenrollment.

The fire safe cabinet being spoken about has only been around since about 2001, but was purchased not to save documents from fires, but from walking out of the office, because it locks. Whether anyone locks it, is another question. Anyways, all the enrollment documents can not fit in the cabinet, and another has not been purchased.

Mr. Gene Preston is only an alternate council member the last time I checked, but he is no capacity a tribal historian or knows very much about our tribe.

To lose BIA funding is almost impossible, but if the Pit River Tribe could do it, I would believe it. Annual reoccuring funding is never lost, it just rolls over if you dont spend it, even if you request it late, which the pit river tribe has done every other year. If any funding could have been lost, it was probably one time funding, which is competitive between the tribes of the agency, but that would not be the fault of the chairman, since its not the job of the chairman to write grants or secure funding. The only thing the chairman does is sign the paperwork at the direction of the tribal council, per council motion.
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10/22/2006 9:12 AM Anonymous wrote:
Good Morning,
I have a Rumor or Lies question or 2.
1-I have heard stories of a small family in Burney leaving the Band or
Tribe in the 70's, I have some paperwork on the "Rumor" But I would
like
to know if this constitutes a "Break in the family line"? Seems to me
if
this Shadley family is being challenged because beyond their control
their Grandmother died to soon, Then the other small family should be
challenged for there own act of disenrolling them selfs .
2-I heard a story about the money Gene Preston has made off the Tribe.
Does anyone have any idea how much he made per meeting to hold this
"Shadley Appeal" for the Council. The amount I heard was more than what
the President of Exxon is worth.
3-I have heard a story about another 100 or so family being challenged
after the small family in Burney is through with this family. Not 100
people but families, How do you know that one of those families is not
yours, And let me tell you that no amount of documentation will stop
this
small family in Burney from kicking you out of the tribe. I understand
at
the Shadley "Appeal" the Council would not accept any BIA documents.
What’s with that?
4-I have heard a story that this small family in Burney is going to try
to freeze Chairperson Jim powers again at the meeting on the 28th. What
is up with that?
5-I heard the Band election this year was tainted, I know the Shadley
family was not allowed to stay in the building for the Band election
and
I heard there were to many ballets for the amount of people that were
there ? What is the use of having elections if they are fixed? And is
this fraud ,deceit and profit for your own benefit?
6-I know the Shadley family has stopped receiving checks from the
Tribe.
Have your checks increased? Where has this money gone? When will it
stop?
7-My understanding is that unbeknownst to the Shadley family they were
disenrolled from the Band a year or so back. At the Shadley appeal I
think I remember someone telling me the council said they had the
approval of the membership to disenroll the Shadley people from the
Band.( It would be interesting to know what they consider the
membership.) And the appeal held on the 30th of Sept was to decide if
they need to be disenrolled from the Pit River Indian Tribe, If the
Government of the U.S think these people are Pit River Indians, What
gives this small family in Burney the right to decide is the Gov. Is
right or wrong?
I know this is not all the questions that are floating around out there
but I wonder how much longer the membership is going to put up with the
small group of people in Burney that are trying to take over the Tribe
?
When will they stop ? My guess is when they are the only what they call
"True"Pit River Indian. Or when the membership steps in to say ENOUGH .
could be it is time to think about a Ad Hoc or another form of interim
Government.
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10/23/2006 5:42 PM Willie wrote:
LOL

You guys are crazy.
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10/23/2006 6:46 PM humbird wrote:
Willie
what makes us so crazy?
that we have the courage to stand up to this certain family. unlike some people.we have a right to fight for our heritage that people think they have control of.if some of you people weren't so afraid of this family you would take a look at our paper work and know we belong their just as much as you do.or is it greed with you?i wonder who willie really is.
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10/24/2006 11:46 AM Mae & Nina wrote:
Hay Willie Boy
There is Medication for the mentally Ill. There must be something you can take for fear which is my diagnosis for you people who keep your heads buried in the sand. What makes you think you are safe from the next mass disenrollment this family decides to instigate. Wake Up!!!
Mae & Nina
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10/25/2006 11:09 AM can'tstandtopee wrote:
LITTLE WILLIE WON'T WAKE UP. HE IS TOO AFRAID OF WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR HIM AND THE REST WEIRDOS WHO ARE IN THIS CONSPIRACY. WILLIE AND THE WEIRDOS, SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD NAME FOR THIS PERSON AND HIS LIKES. YOUR WILL BE THE ONE COL (crying out loud)WHEN THE JACKELS TURN ON YOU AND DEVOUR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. THE FAMILY SAY THEY ARE MEDESI, BUT A CLOSER LOOK COULD INSIGHT US TO BELIEVE THEY ARE HITLERISTIC. SEIG HEIL!!!
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10/27/2006 7:32 PM humbird wrote:
hello everyone
I have a question to ask I hope someone can answer it. if this person stole money then why is everyone so busy trying to dis enroll a family that belongs in the pit river tribe. and not trying to get back money that was stolen.my family only wants to back people who are taking care of all our tribal members.I dont understand why everyone is going to back a family that is not going to stop with our family all of your families are in jeopardy of your heritage. you guys need to start protecting your own families and your heritage.we don't want to take over the tribe at all like the elmores have told people to get them to believe that our family wants to do harm it is not true. we just want to protect our heritage just like each and everyone of you would.
I want to know what jessica jim has done to everyone that they are trying to take her powers away from her? is it because she wants to protect people in the tribe? can i please get some real answers not just people putting the blame on other people about why my family is even going thru this crap
because we all hear how it is everyone elses fault but we know who the real people are that are doing this
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10/30/2006 2:09 PM Mae wrote:
hey people,
what happened to all the folks that said they would be at the Tribal meeting. You should have been there, the weather was nice and we did have some good company.
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10/30/2006 3:52 PM Garie Titman wrote:
Mae,
I am sorry I missed the last meeting, its hell to have old cold bones. But it sounds like you did a good job.
Just keep in mind Those people can not make you less of an Indian. Your only problem is your Moma (God bless her sole) was not a Mexican.
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10/30/2006 5:27 PM mae wrote:
garie
was glad for a little response to my note. No one can pick their
parents..I lost my name and
phone noumbers so if someone will send me a new copy sure would help out. then I can do my part in the calling of our cousins
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10/31/2006 9:50 AM Garie Titman wrote:
Greetings,

I have a small comment on the disenrollment letter that is posted in the document section of this web site.

The document suggest you folks should destroy all paper work that proves you are Band members of the Pit River Indians. For them to ask you to do that is such a crock of Bull. Do not destroy anything . For them to ask you to destroy documents that prove your heritage would be like you asking them to destroy their Green Cards. If they do indeed have them.

Some things you should be asking yourself are
1-Mr. Jean Preston credentials
2-His job description
3-What has he done for the Tribe or Band
4- And what is his actual income.

I understand for what you are paying this man per year the tribe could build a lot of housing units to keep the real Indian people worm this winter, and if Mr Preston is paid a daily per diem. Think how many of your people could keep the bellies full this winter. Or a medical clinic or a full time Dr. It only goes to prove the council is not looking out for the Tribe but more interested in lining their own pockets.

You have the right to ask these questions, I am sure every person in the Tribe is interested in the answers, Put these questions on paper, send them to all the BIA, Chairperson, Tribal Membership or Any Governing body you can think of. Question everything. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT, USE IT.

Thank you for your time, and I am so sorry you have been put in the line of fire. Think of yourself as point people as their will be more to follow.
Garie
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10/31/2006 10:14 AM mae wrote:
Garie, Did you; hit the nail on the head. I for one, am writting my letter sending to jesica jim and cc ing all the rest of council people and the tribal members. B I A also. well got to go . thank you
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10/31/2006 6:13 PM The Truth wrote:
Perhaps it is time to reply to the rumors and lies.

1. Enrollment Record Fire:

The enrollment records were stored in a fire proof cabinet, we did not have 2000 members back then we had less than 600 members, all files were entact. The files were removed by Councilwoman DeGarmo's brother after the fire, as she has stated the heavy cabinet fell on his leg when removing it. The voter registration is what was refered to in the Lester Potts letter, not enrollment.
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1. 10/31/2006 7:17 PM Link wrote:
  The firemen on scene recall finding original enrollment applications of their relatives and ancestors in the ashes - they salvaged what they could.
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2. 10/31/2006 9:23 PM Patty wrote:
  Why was it called the Lester Potts letter? and can we get a copy of it?
  Thank you PJ
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11/1/2006 10:00 AM Nina wrote:
The Lester Potts letter is a letter to find Mae and Little Gary after the fire. Their voter registrations were burned. The letter was written to me in order to find their address. Truth is right that letter was for voter regrestration not enrollment, however one does have to be an enrolled member to get voting rights. The letter only proves that we were enrolled and had voter rights at that time. Nina
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11/1/2006 10:38 AM Nina wrote:
What is the difference between Matt, Gene and Saddam. Well not much, in my humble opinion. Saddam did in the Kurds and the southern tribes in Iraq. Matt and Gene have done a job on the Shadley, Taylors etc. Well we see what happened to Saddam. Little Dictators have a way of loosing in the end. Eventually the people wake up to the fact that they have been screwed.
In our case Matt either rushed it through the band Probably family members to get the approval to throw us out or Lied about having done so. As far as he is concerned we were disenrolled without benefit of Band vote or appeal, with no chance to present our proof of documentation.
At the General membershit meeting we were not allowed inside. People would come out and say we didn't want to be in there. Well the fact is I did want to be there. It griped me that ONE little coyote had the power to keep us out when by rights we were entitled to be there. Matt didn't have the balls to stop and talk to us when he was called by one of our people. Sharon Stopped and informed her that she was not related to us and neither is Matt. Thank the Creater. Neither have any respect for their Elders. Probably none for themselves. So I guess all I have to say is
DOWN WITH THE DICTATOR ELMORE HIS MINON PRESTON AND ALL THIER SUPPORTERS. Nina
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11/3/2006 10:50 AM Patty wrote:
Does anyone know if CHAIRPERSON Jessica Jim has her powers back?
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11/8/2006 11:51 AM Mae wrote:
I called pit river office today and jessica's powers have not been restored. And I talked with admin.Assistance and she was absolutely no help. She said the council gave us a hearing but she doesnt realize that only two of the 4000 family members were allowed in the building. Does anyone have matts phone number so we can call him and ask him what is going on since he knows all about us 4000 people that he says are not indian which we are we have been indian since birht. thanks for reading my blog.
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11/8/2006 12:53 PM Patty wrote:
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, JJ does not have her powers back, I will fire off yet another letter to document yet another ILLEGAL action on the part of the council, I wonder if Jessica Jim knows she has the right to sue this council, It has been done before and the chairperson won. The money they won was withheld from I think per capita payments. If I was in her position we all know what I would do, hence why I have my good buddy David Shaw on retainer .............Good Luck JJ. And think about it. PJ
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11/14/2006 2:00 PM garie wrote:
Are you folks still looking for the information on the "Legitimate Pit River Indian tribe of Ca."? I found such a letter addressed to the Bia from this Tribe singed by Lillian Lego, Ceclia Wilson and Marie Lego in July 29, 1984 denouncing any membership to your Pit River Tribe. Would this constitute a break in the family line? My guess is yes.
Let me know if you want a copy of said letter. Garie
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11/14/2006 2:36 PM Nina wrote:
Garie,
I would like a copy of that letter.Do you happen to have a copy of how they got re-enrolled? And What is this "Real Pit River Indians" thing, Aren't we all. I didn't know there were any fake Pit River's running around. I do seem to remember Matt Elmore saying something like that but I thought he was talking about our family being fake.
Is there a list of names of the People in that family who dis-enrolled themselves and when did they return?
When you are ready to send call me at 503-864-3688 and I will tell you my address.
Thanks Nina
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11/14/2006 3:54 PM mae wrote:
gee, can you beleive after all the shit they ( Matt) has slung at our family Wouldn"t it be funny if by denouncing them selves as Pit River Indians, They just may have screwed them selves out of the X L Ranch. Just a thought , Will have to check into this a bit more. Get back to you late.. Just in case they don"t know who mae is I"ll sign my whole name Orilla Mae Cropp
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11/14/2006 4:35 PM garie wrote:
I will call around 6 tonight with all information. It will be good to talk with you
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11/14/2006 5:31 PM humbird wrote:
Garie
do you have a e-mail address? I also would like to have a copy of this. from the stories i got which their are two of them was that matt and june dis enroll
themselves.then i was told that they didn't enroll until the late 1980's and were denied enrollment so junes story goes and they had to fight for enrollment in the tribe.
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11/14/2006 6:21 PM garie wrote:
I will send you webmaster some information and you can get it from the site as I do not want to get directly involved, but I have lots of time and connection in my old age to dig up info.
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1. 11/14/2006 6:27 PM Patty wrote:
  What a great find, Keep digging
  Strange they would try to get us on a break in the chain when they have a REAL break.
  I to want a copy, My address is oh wait I don't want a bunch of junk mail, I will get it from the web site
  Thank you Garie, PJ
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2. 10/31/2007 7:05 PM wilson wrote:
  I think you are a cool person in your old age...keep up the good work. wilson
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11/16/2006 10:01 AM can'tstandtopee wrote:
Do you smell that? I think someone's goose is being cooked...... All because of their FOUL play.... No pun intended!!!!! HA-HA!!! You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find you get what you deserve!!!!!! And you WILL reap what you sow.....
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11/20/2006 5:31 PM just my luck wrote:
I heard the shadley family that had their appeals in sept have not recieved their disenrollment letters.just goes to show you that maybe matt and his clan cant find a good enough reason to kick them out.
so to the shadley family i say way to storm them with info that is true and hope for the best with the non disenrollment. I say what goes around comes around and every time you lie it comes back at you.
Well I gues matt should not have disenrolled himself because there is no paper work on the 1984 census so where was he up untill 2005 when he decided he was head chief and really he has proofed to be head ---- --- if you know what I mean. so who has all the paper work on matt and june that shows they wanted nothing to do with Madesi band. Because Bia would frown on that. I think all my info will be shipped to BIA. well ta ta for now. talk to you guys later hang in there. I can see light and the end of the tunnel ..And it's not a train.
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11/21/2006 8:29 PM Patty wrote:
Hi Just my luck,
I think at this time most everyone on my mailing list has the information about matt and family withdrawing from the Pit River Tribe, My friends are even happy.
First let me say my sisters and I try to keep up with the blog and answer questions or just keep people up to date, We have been very busy trying to get dates correct and events in order, you might say get our s---- together so we, when the time comes will not be like others and we will have every document every T crossed and I dotted.
I know it has been a long couple of years and I to feel some enrollment issues have been addressed, good bad or indifferent. On our part good, but it is long from being over. I will be away from my computer for a time as I have a trip planned to Redding California to hand deliver some documents as it is cheaper to buy the gas than it is to mail so many documents. After that to my sons house to have Thanksgiving, after that a trip to Portland to meet with my attorney to discus our next move. As for the light at the end of the tunnel, it still is a train but it isn’t headed for us but them, God help the people that have lied, tried to change rules, discriminated ,harassed and have not taken the time for due process, I am sure God loves them but he may be the only one, and I am sure everyone is quite tired of all the BS. I know I am and it is our turn now.
Hope everyone has a great gobble gobble day and enjoy being with your true Pit River Indian families.
Thanks to everyone for your support this past few years.
PJ
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11/22/2006 6:47 AM just my luck wrote:
To Pj I hope justice is in your favor and your family gets the justice they do deserve and I am for ya all the way to the last straw . I want to say that justice prevails and those that did this wrong to your family will soon find out what your family has been going through. I to am sending letters to redding to see what they think of the injustic and the total disregard to not following the constitution that they and we as indians have set forth to govern our tribe and to those that think they are the legitamite Pit River Indians well think again. We know who you are and will see.
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11/22/2006 6:51 AM just my luck wrote:
Just my luck says happy thanksgiving and everyone travel safe. I know that most travel long distances to see family and on this weekend please drive safe and talk to you soon.
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11/29/2006 10:34 AM Hattie Montgomery wrote:
If anyone wants some salmon for Christmas, I have a ton of salmon for sale. Don't buy from Pat Wilson, buy Madesi.... proceeds will go to purchase perscription pills for needy members.
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12/1/2006 3:40 PM carrie wrote:
i know certain people from the pit river office read this blog. so i have a question for you guys or anyone who can answer it . what is going on with the dis enrollment issues. it dont seem like any of you know whats going on you guys sit down their and fight amongst yourselves. i was just wondering what you guys have to gain from getting people out of the tribe you guys say its not greed but you guys are the most greedy people around. what families are next to have to deal with your crap? judgement day will come and i feel really sorry for the greedy ones.when is everyone going to get a fake appeals hearing? if you guys can read their is no such thing for dis-enrollment.
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12/5/2006 12:54 PM Patty wrote:
Hattie, I know you are awear of bogus posts on the blog, We need to confirm it is you, call me, Patty Jarvis and we can put a more updated post on the blog, ie how much is the salom,how it is shipped and so on. Thanks Patty Jarvis
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12/18/2006 8:46 PM just my luck wrote:
just a friendly note to say Merry Christmas and Happy New Year and we will see if the New Year brings more joy than we can all handle . Well we still have not seen much on the disenrollment issue so does anyone have good news . Just Blog us and let us know because no one at the tribal office speaks to me and lets me know ye or ne can anyone shed some light on the subject . well thats all for the time being I will Be with my folks for the holidays cant wait. everyone travel safe this holiday season. bye
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7/8/2007 10:51 AM Anonymous wrote:
I have been hearing rumors that Chairperson Jim has been releaved of her duties, Is this a true
rumor or another fart in the dark?
Last week their was a posting on the blog that accused Chairperson Jim of being a Felon, I really am interested in what she may have done to recieve such a status?
Did this Chairperson beat up an old lady and run her out of the town of Burney?
Was she accused of organizing a Casino Robbery?
Did she get money from the tribe to buy cars for auctions and pocket the money?
Did she have council meetings every day just to pad her pocket?
Did she have realitives that worked on the XL ranch befor she was a twinkle in her Daddys eye, and now she thinks she ownes the XL? Does her family receive all the new housing when many people deserve it more?
Does NEPOTISM apply to this Chairperson?
Does she change the Constitution or just not pay any attention to it what so ever?
Was she not elected by the population of the Pit River Tribe?
Did she intimadate the people?
Is she a bully?
Or does she just think she is a bad ass?
Does she take her kids to Disney Land at the expense of the Tribe?
Did she push to illegally disenroll Indians that have been enrolled in the tribe longer than she has been alive?
I don't know most of these answers when it comes to Chairperson Jim, But I am sure that they apply to some of the people in Burney. If any of these things are true about anyone, they should hide in the night as they sure could not sleep knowing what bad ass they are.
I'm just wondering Thanks PJ
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1. 7/8/2007 2:30 PM Anonymous wrote:
  Ad hoc is also used to describe a particular type of committee; one which is formed to deal with a particular issue, and disbanded after the issue is resolved. These committees provide stop gap or temporary measures to solve problems that are not resolved by ordinary processes of the organization to which the committee belongs. The GATT, for example, was controlled by an ad-hoc committee before the WTO was established.
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2. 7/13/2007 12:12 PM Pitt River Insider wrote:
  I know Ceceilia Avelar robbed the casino for $10,000 in 2004. Why did she get away with it? Her mother is June the same woman that pushed for the disenrollments of our family. Why wasn't her daughter disenrolled? Her and her daughter should be the first to be disenrolled when the membership deals with these thugs.
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7/13/2007 11:35 AM Anonymous wrote:
We elected our leader for
the third time at elections,
this person wasn’t chosen
because of his extended education
or prior political experience
or even positive life
skills experience, because he
has none of the above.
What he does have to
offer us is a prison education,
no diploma, no GED, and
not even seeking any of the
above.
He has no employment,
and depends financially on
the stipends received for the
daily meetings that are held
daily, meetings that accomplish
nothing except for those
few that sit around that table.
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7/13/2007 11:36 AM Anonymous wrote:
An example of the blatant
disrespect, the “Council” randomly
chose a tribal member
and selected them to act as
our chairperson? What?
We elected our leader for
the third time at elections,
this person wasn’t chosen
because of his extended education
or prior political experience
or even positive life
skills experience, because he
has none of the above.
What he does have to
offer us is a prison education,
no diploma, no GED, and
not even seeking any of the
above.
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